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Recently I had a little set to with a couple of the moderators on Smokers Forum. The background is that recently the owner of the site decided to fold it due to the intense aggravation he was getting behind the scenes. Someone new (Art) took over the running of the site, but in the ensuing panic amongst some members, little bits of discussion emerged, and feelings that the bickering and power-hungriness of the mods were somehow contributory began to surface.
I was one of those who discussed those concerns on two other fora to which I belong. They were discussed elsewhere because freedom of speech is stifled on Smokers Forums, and other than here there is no other platform I can use.
I returned to SF and started to read a thread which I genuinely felt needed a response and what follows is the result. It also reveals the blind prejudices involved with some of the posters, their fanatical support for the forum, and the lengths they will go to in order to lean on anyone with a constructive word to say. Four moderators got involved in this thread until Art closed it down, then deleted the entire thing to conceal the evidence. But not before I’d copied it.
The following morning I tried to log back into my account and read the following:
vBulletin Message You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never
Below is the entire “Dreaming” post from SF, and at the end a Private Message which I received from NIgel, the first Moderator on the thread:
Read on my brothers, read on…
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Dreaming? mrtalkradio – Member
Could go on for days with this one, I’ll try and keep it short.
I was reading the post on “darkest days.” Not wanting to divert the original thread I needed to start this one because of it’s inspiration. So thank you.
It it purely evident we, well the majority of us would have gone back to our prior lifestyle if SF closed. I surely would have. Participating in online communities is something that I can not seem to have interest in at all. SF is surely unique in all aspects, attracts unique individuals and I feel the most intellectual of all.
Surviving the “closing,” proves pipe smokers are alive and well and are not going anywhere. Not sure if you all can grasp the enormity of the forum continuing forward.
There are 100′s of on-line retailers and still a good number of B&M’s out there.
It is 2009, time for the Pipe’s and Tobacco Metropolis. It needs to be built. It should be 25,000 sq feet. It should have shipping docks and a massive warehouse. Advertised heavily and without compromise. It could employee 50 to 100 employees.
The Home Depot for pipe smokers. It surely is time.
It could become a reality, or just another dream that goes up in pipe smoke.
Stay tuned.
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May 15, 2009, 11:21 AM
Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
With all due respect I think you over estimate the importance of a single forum, no matter how large it is. When the panic set in the other day the main thought expressed on this site was “Where do we go next?”, and at least one other forum has seen it’s membership double in the last few days.
In the unfortunate event that SF should ever close I believe the vast majority of pipe smokers who use it would simply relocate to another, existing forum and continue there.
Having been here a couple of years more than you I can remember a large number of names who have disappeared, only to re-emerge elsewhere later on. The community of pipe smokers exists outside of these forum walls and the forum membership changes all the time. It would be wrong to think that SF is the only forum of value, and certainly wrong to consider that it alone attracts members of superior intellect.
Just an opinion…
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May 15, 2009, 11:35 AM
Re: Dreaming? Nigel – Moderator – Jumping In, Both Boots Swinging
Nobody is suggesting that SF is the only forum, to some people it is the only forum for them. Some members like to do the rounds and visit all the other boards. Like all clubs and forums anywhere, members come and members go, some move on for personal reasons, some move on because they decide SF is not for them and find pastures new. My gripe is with members from here who go off elsewhere to bitch about SF but yet continue their membership here. If you don’t like SF don’t stay here, no-one is forcing you but with over 2000 members we must be getting something right.
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It would be wrong to think that SF is the only forum of value, and certainly wrong to consider that it alone attracts members of superior intellect.
Unfortunately like most forums SF has the occasional troublemaker lurking around putting on a front for the members here but all the time sneering in a condescending manner ready at a moments notice to stick the knife in. It’s called being two faced, for any who feel this way why not stand up and be counted. Tell it like it is instead of hiding behind a respectable facade. Like I said above if you don’t SF’s guidelines and general atmosphere, the door is open, please leave by it and let those of us who like it here get on with enjoying the place.
NB. the above is a general note not an attack at any one member.
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Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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Nobody is suggesting that SF is the only forum, to some people it is the only forum for them. Some members like to do the rounds and visit all the other boards. Like all clubs and forums anywhere, members come and members go, some move on for personal reasons, some move on because they decide SF is not for them and find pastures new. My gripe is with members from here who go off elsewhere to bitch about SF but yet continue their membership here. If you don’t like SF don’t stay here, no-one is forcing you but with over 2000 members we must be getting something right.
An unusual and overly defensive reply, and I’m not sure who the “you” in the last sentence is aimed at. The original poster seemed to indicate that he thought the continuation of SF equated to the continuation of pipe smoking:
“Surviving the “closing,” proves pipe smokers are alive and well and are not going anywhere. Not sure if you all can grasp the enormity of the forum continuing forward.”
That is what I was aiming to correct. Nor did I indicate an interest to you or anyone else here that I don’t like it here. You may want to re-word your post to make it sound less like a personal attack, or perhaps be a little less vague if it is. But you’re certainly raising points not contained in either of the first two posts.
I see you’ve added more to your post. If by highlighting the latter part of the quote you’re suggesting that members here ARE of superior intellect, then I’d like to know your justification for that. I also see your note at the end. Why use this thread to make an attack on a bunch of people you’ve not identified, and which is entirely out of context with the first post and my answer to it?
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Re: Dreaming? Nigel – Moderator
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and I’m not sure who the “you” in the last sentence is aimed at
Which is why I added the note benne at the end. Perhaps it is overly defensive, given the recent circumstances that is not unusual. My response was to your comment that it was insinuated in the OP that SF was the only forum of note on the internet.
I did go off on a tangent but I stand by my comments.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 12:26 PM
Re: Dreaming? Nancy – Moderator
My understanding of the use of the word “you” here would be in the general sense, such as “If you prefer Va’s to English blends, you may want to try McC’s 5100″ or, as my own Mom was wont to say “If you don’t like it, lump it!” I’m sure she didn’t mean to put anyone on the defensive. [Smiley2]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 12:27 PM
Re: Dreaming? Pipestud – Member
I’ve personally been involved in several pipe smoker’s forums over the years. Some have come and gone. Some are still around and very active and some are still around and barely breathing. The “flavor” varies and its always fun for me feel the uniqueness of each group.
The appeal of SF to me, is the variety of the membership and the way the group is like a local pipe club. The high end pipe and vintage tobacco collectors mix and mingle with the corncob, OTC tobacco folks with respect. We have busy doctors and unemployed blue collars chatting with each other.
Nope, the death of SF would not be the end of the pipe smoking world as we know it. But, I sure relish the thought of knowing that God willing, I’ll be hanging around here with you fine folks a wee bit longer.
Best,
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OldMay 15, 2009, 12:36 PM
Re: Dreaming? Peps1 – Member
I think for the majority of members here SF is the main forum they use, but SF is a organic entity that changes over time, Iv only been here a couple of years but have seen alot of change, and recent events just illustrates how dramatically thing can shift in the space of day….to the point the forum is under new management.
I personally love SF, and have had such a amazing education here, not just in pipe smoking but also talking to cultural and age groups that i just wouldn’t converse with in the real world.
But if SF did shut-down I think the vast majority of members world go onto to join or start other forums (in fact some members that will remain nameless when out and started forum as soon as the news broke that SF could shut [Smiley9] ) and this is the true legacy of SF, members soon keen to keep a community together that they can see past the URLs, HTML, PHP, MySQL databaces and see the importance of the people behind the site, the users.
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Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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Which is why I added the note benne at the end. Perhaps it is overly defensive, given the recent circumstances that is not unusual. My response was to your comment that it was insinuated in the OP that SF was the only forum of note on the internet.
I did go off on a tangent but I stand by my comments.
I felt that he was indeed saying that, and I’m struggling to extract any other meaning form these words:
“It it purely evident we, well the majority of us would have gone back to our prior lifestyle if SF closed. I surely would have. Participating in online communities is something that I can not seem to have interest in at all. SF is surely unique in all aspects, attracts unique individuals and I feel the most intellectual of all.”
He may be right, but let’s not get jumped on by moderators every time anyone attempts a discussion. You may stand by your statement, but what has this got to do with either the opening thread, or my answer? I’m attempting to say that pipe smokers will endure, with or without SF. Nothing more:
“Unfortunately like most forums SF has the occasional troublemaker lurking around putting on a front for the members here but all the time sneering in a condescending manner ready at a moments notice to stick the knife in. It’s called being two faced, for any who feel this way why not stand up and be counted. Tell it like it is instead of hiding behind a respectable facade. Like I said above if you don’t SF’s guidelines and general atmosphere, the door is open, please leave by it and let those of us who like it here get on with enjoying the place”
YOU should avoid being two-faced. Name the troublemakers lurking and waiting to stick the knife in. Don’t insinuate. And by the way, those who DO stand up and be counted often find themselves cast into the outer darkness without explanation, so it’s not surprising that people are cautious about their feelings.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 12:46 PM
Re: Dreaming? Peps1 – Member
pulls up a seat and some popcorn. [006]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 12:56 PM
Re: Dreaming? Old Timer – Member
If SF ever does close I agree-most will go to another forum. On a personal opinion note, I’ve looked at some of the other forums over the past week and concluded if SF closes I’ll stop going to any forum.
My life has been spent fixing all kinds of people problems. When I relax I want conversation not vitriol. I like a good natured argument: that’s where strongly held opinions are tested.
The problem with places like this is the obvious lack of face to face interaction. I can say “hello” to someone at the shop and they know to stay away for a bit because I’m in a dark mood or they may start in with the jibes and jabs. We can’t do that here. There’s no real way to let folks know how happy, distressed or angry we are without going a bit overboard with words.
SF is the only place I’ve seen that gives me a comfort zone. If it folds in the future I’m back to books, hiking and the computer will be dark for many hours a day.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 12:58 PM
Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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pulls up a seat and some popcorn. [006]
Noooooooooo… I’ve said my bit. where’s mrtalkradio gone? He started all this… [Smiley2]
Apologies to mrtalkradio by the way. I hadn’t intended this to veer so far away from the first post and I deplore hi-jacking but will defend my position.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 12:58 PM
Re: Dreaming? Nigel – Moderator
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YOU should avoid being two-faced. Name the troublemakers lurking and waiting to stick the knife in. Don’t insinuate. And by the way, those who DO stand up and be counted often find themselves cast into the outer darkness without explanation, so it’s not surprising that people are cautious about their feelings.
I am not getting into a slanging match on open forum. SF has a set of guidelines which everyone agrees to when they sign up. If anyone has a problem with them, they don’t have to sign up. Stick to those guidelines and their time at SF will be a pleasurable one. At the end of the day SF is a privately owned forum, the forum owner decides the rules and it is his choice who he admits or denies entry to.
This is my last post on the matter.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:00 PM
Re: Dreaming? Peterwd – Moderator
Being a “Codger”, I am more used to Clubs i.e. Cars/Bikes etc.
The motto I follow is “The Right Crowd and No Crowding”, this derives from 1930′s Brooklands.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/racin…a-classic.aspx
I like to think the our Forum offers this.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:17 PM
Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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I am not getting into a slanging match on open forum…This is my last post on the matter.
For the record, I was not asking for a slanging match; I was answering mrtalkradio’s opening post. I’m sure that when he returns he’ll be able to defend his position admirably, and without us falling out.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:28 PM
Re: Dreaming? Ed Anderson – Moderator
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…He may be right, but let’s not get jumped on by moderators every time anyone attempts a discussion. You may stand by your statement, but what has this got to do with either the opening thread, or my answer? I’m attempting to say that pipe smokers will endure, with or without SF. Nothing more:
YOUR idea of a discussuion is to stir the pot. [Smiley2]
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YOU should avoid being two-faced. Name the troublemakers lurking and waiting to stick the knife in. Don’t insinuate. And by the way, those who DO stand up and be counted often find themselves cast into the outer darkness without explanation, so it’s not surprising that people are cautious about their feelings.
Nigel is NOT being two faced. I think any who read his words will know just who he’s talking about. [Smiley2]
You’re going to trash talk the SF Mods over on that other forum no matter what we say or do so just go do it and enjoy yourself.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:31 PM
Re: Dreaming? Old Timer – Moderator
But to digress: 25,00 square feet would just about be right…but would you allow big screen TV’s? Not in mine…books, heavy well worn leather chairs positioned in communities of 4 or 5. Jazz in the background-so softly you’d have to stop and concentrate to determine the piece…tea, coffee
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:36 PM
Re: Dreaming? Onlyinmoderation – Member
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…to determine the piece…tea, coffee
…and perhaps an ale tap in the side room. [Smiley14]
Great, no work will be done today [Smiley13] …another Friday at the office spent daydreaming, my mind far far away. [Smiley4] LOVE IT!
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May 15, 2009, 01:38 PM
Re: Dreaming? Nancy – Moderator
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There are 100′s of on-line retailers and still a good number of B&M’s out there.
It is 2009, time for the Pipe’s and Tobacco Metropolis. It needs to be built. It should be 25,000 sq feet. It should have shipping docks and a massive warehouse. Advertised heavily and without compromise. It could employee 50 to 100 employees.
The Home Depot for pipe smokers. It surely is time.
It could become a reality, or just another dream that goes up in pipe smoke.
Stay tuned.
To get back to the original idea posted here, under the title “Dreaming,” I’d like to put in my own two cents. Why not build this Metropolis in Northern Michigan? [Smiley2] The people are friendly, the air is pure, and we could use a boost in the local economy. I guess I really would be dreaming to think that those in power in this state would ever allow such a thing! [Smiley3] Still, one can dream. [Smiley14]
Good idea though. You get my vote mrtalkradio. [Smiley20]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:39 PM
Re: Dreaming? Billiard – Member
Gonna have to have coffee and tea too. The high end coffees and teas as well as the discount brand for me [Smiley1]
Also, since our demographic leans towards older men: lots of bathrooms! [Smiley1] lol
Re: Dreaming? Old Timer – Member
Sister-I like the Northern Michigan idea…nice warm summers, beautiful Fall and Spring…good cold winters. Lakes, woods…small towns and big (if you like).
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:43 PM
Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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YOUR idea of a discussuion is to stir the pot. [Smiley2]
How? What did I do that requires the weight of two moderators wading in?
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Nigel is NOT being two faced. I think any who read his words will know just who he’s talking about. [Smiley2]
You’re going to trash talk the SF Mods over on that other forum no matter what we say or do so just go do it and enjoy yourself.
Well thanks Ed. Your permission is appreciated. What forum are you referring to, or do the mods watch them all?
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:46 PM
Re: Dreaming? Nancy – Member
Hey guys, let’s all take a breather here. Picture the Metropolis..light up your pipe and live in peace. Be nice. [Smiley4]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:51 PM
Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
Breathing Nancy, breathing…
Better now. [Smiley2]
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Re: Dreaming? Tiltjlp – Member
Interesting thread even without the hissing and chest pounding. I don’t think I’d care for a Pipe’s and Tobacco Metropolis myself, I much prefer checking out several e-tailers and comparing inventory and prices before placing my order.
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OldMay 15, 2009, 01:59 PM
Re: Dreaming? – Old Timer – Member
Yessir… a BIG operation with free samples galore. The best prices anywhere…tips on blending..matching pipes to tobaccos and lots and lots of personal interaction…AND single malts and the best bourbons!!!
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OldMay 15, 2009, 02:06 PM
Re: Dreaming? ABSSiegal – Member
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I’ve personally been involved in several pipe smoker’s forums over the years. Some have come and gone. Some are still around and very active and some are still around and barely breathing. The “flavor” varies and its always fun for me feel the uniqueness of each group.
The appeal of SF to me, is the variety of the membership and the way the group is like a local pipe club. The high end pipe and vintage tobacco collectors mix and mingle with the corncob, OTC tobacco folks with respect. We have busy doctors and unemployed blue collars chatting with each other.
Nope, the death of SF would not be the end of the pipe smoking world as we know it. But, I sure relish the thought of knowing that God willing, I’ll be hanging around here with you fine folks a wee bit longer.
Best,
Pipestud
Steve has nailed it! Well said!!!! [Smiley20]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 02:32 PM
Re: Dreaming? Buggs – Member
Quite a start for the early am, not bad though.
Don’t think I would care for the Mega Mart,reminds me of Lowes or Wal-Mart…I would like Michigan though ,BIG deer up there.
A personal note for me. I noticed the comment about some folks posting on other sites in an unflattering way,about folks on this site. Brings to mind a quote by George Washington.
“A man’s character is determined by how he acts when no one is looking” [Smiley20]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 02:32 PM
Re: Dreaming? Nancy – Moderator
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What forum are you referring to, or do the mods watch them all?
Hey wow- ouch. [Smiley13] I have just taken a look at another forum out of curiosity (who wouldn’t after all this hullaballoo?) and I can sure see what the issue here is! Seems there are some who are very upset with the way things are being run here, and things are being said about the SF mods that are pretty unkind. Ouch! I think I’ll not visit again, so as not to get my feelings hurt! [Smiley19]
Keeping my head down, and just trying to keep the peace around here! [puffy]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 02:55 PM
Re: Dreaming? Old Timer – Member
BUGGS: Sir, you have just nailed it! I’d forgotten some advice given to me by the man I have most respected in my life: my Father. He told me that when I was just starting the teen years. Sometimes I forgot but I always remembered eventually.
He not only said it, more importantly to me he lived it and he was a salesman!!
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Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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Hey wow- ouch. [Smiley13] I have just taken a look at another forum out of curiosity (who wouldn’t after all this hullaballoo?) and I can sure see what the issue here is! Seems there are some who are very upset with the way things are being run here, and things are being said about the SF mods that are pretty unkind. Ouch! I think I’ll not visit again, so as not to get my feelings hurt! [Smiley19]
Keeping my head down, and just trying to keep the peace around here! [puffy]
Hey Nancy. What are the chances of you picking another forum totally at random and finding someone who is saying the things that are being reported? Slim eh?
And up until then you were doing a great job of keeping the peace. [Smiley2]
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Hey Nancy. What are the chances of you picking another forum totally at random and finding someone who is saying the things that are being reported? Slim eh?
I didn’t pick it at random. I asked. I don’t have time to go searching for such a thing, and why would I? [000]
What are you implying? [000]
And why are you saying the “things that are being reported?” [000]
Personally, I don’t come here for this kind of silliness. I have children, I get plenty of it at home. [Smiley2]
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OldMay 15, 2009, 03:15 PM
Re: Dreaming? Peps1 – Member
“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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Re: Dreaming? Old Timer – Member and Shit Disturber
Simple question: Why would anything be said elsewhere by anyone?
What is the sought after result in anyone doing that? I have not been to other sites-except a quick peek at TobaccoReviews.com yesterday- lasted about 30 seconds.
So other than what has been said I really can’t figure out what one would hope to gain by posting derogatory threads here or anywhere. Maybe it’s the old saw: I don’t ever get the respect I feel I deserve so I won’t give anyone the respect they deserve. Or maybe it’s more of a desire to be a person who lives to stir the pot..unless there’s a stink in the air they ain’t happy….wonder which one…hmmmmmm
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OldMay 15, 2009, 03:27 PM
Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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I didn’t pick it at random. I asked. I don’t have time to go searching for such a thing, and why would I? [000]
Er…you just told us you did.
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What are you implying? [000]
That you knew or found out where to go to find what you were looking for, confirming that someone is keeping an eye on other forums for SF related stuff and reporting back.
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And why are you saying the “things that are being reported?” [000]
Because, as you’ve asked, a mod has advised me so in a PM.
And yes, it is all silly. [puffy]
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UnreadMay 15, 2009, 03:32 PM
Re: Dreaming? Felix – Member
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…It it purely evident we, well the majority of us would have gone back to our prior lifestyle if SF closed.
Not me. Good grief, SF is a fine resource but it isn’t the only game in town.
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Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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Simple question: Why would anything be said elsewhere by anyone?
What is the sought after result in anyone doing that? I have not been to other sites-except a quick peek at TobaccoReviews.com yesterday- lasted about 30 seconds.
So other than what has been said I really can’t figure out what one would hope to gain by posting derogatory threads here or anywhere. Maybe it’s the old saw: I don’t ever get the respect I feel I deserve so I won’t give anyone the respect they deserve. Or maybe it’s more of a desire to be a person who lives to stir the pot..unless there’s a stink in the air they ain’t happy….wonder which one…hmmmmmm
Simple answer: Things are being said by two main groups of people: Ex-mods and people who have had run-ins with the existing mods. Some are still wondering why they’ve been banned as they’ve never received a word of explanation.
So, neither of your two categories.
I also find that there are a lot of people complaining or making sideways remarks about the way this thread is going, but have failed to realise that keeping quiet would let it all die down. I’m only answering questions here. So what was the point of your post Old Timer? To bring peace or perpetuation?
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Re: Dreaming? Nancy – Moderator – Still Not Getting It
I am confused. [Smiley13]
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Er…you just told us you did.
When?
That you knew or found out where to go to find what you were looking for, confirming that someone is keeping an eye on other forums for SF related stuff and reporting back.
There are several members here who are members of other forums as well. Are they not allowed to tell me what they have read, and where? It’s no big secret.
Because, as you’ve asked, a mod has advised me so in a PM.
I think I worded my question wrong. What I meant was, why are you bashing SF elsewhere and coming here to argue about it? [000]
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Re: Dreaming? Buggs – Member – Long Distance Hero
IMO it is the cyber interface.Growing up on the streets of Philly. I found if you had strong opinions and choose to voice them, there could be some strong and some times ugly responses.Face to face encounters temper the coward and challange the brave. there are no consaquences for being a fool on the internet no one can reach out and punch your lights out. Although that tact never changed a persons opinion, it certainly did shut them up. [006]
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Re: Dreaming? Peterwd – Moderator – Supporter of Violence
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IMO it is the cyber interface.Growing up on the streets of Philly. I found if you had strong opinions and choose to voice them, there could be some strong and some times ugly responses.Face to face encounters temper the coward and challange the brave. there are no consaquences for being a fool on the internet no one can reach out and punch your lights out. Although that tact never changed a persons opinion, it certainly did shut them up. [006]
Well said Buggs,
the internet is full of would be Hero’s. [006]
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BUGGS: I really like you man!
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Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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I think I worded my question wrong. What I meant was, why are you bashing SF elsewhere and coming here to argue about it? [000]
Well, I’m not here to argue. But you have confirmed I’m being specifically watched, which should disturb any free-thinker.
My first post was to point out that anyone who feels that this forum contains the intellectual elite of the pipe smoking world is insulting members of other forums. I also felt that the recent wailing and gnashing of teeth was indicitive of people slightly losing perspective. SF is a great forum and a great acheivement by Ron. Nothing however is perfect and if the forum had closed people would have relocated and met up in different places. Or formed a new forum..
If anyone cares to re-read this thread objectively from the beginning they will find that my post in answer to mrtalkradio was entirely centred on his view that this forum and it’s members are unique. I wasn’t bashing the forum in any way.
Argument about my conduct either here or elsewhere was introduced in a post by Nigel. I have simply responded since then, as I am now.
Keep asking questions, or mumbling under your breath as some appear to be, and I will answer. At least until my ability to do so is removed. However, I am not setting out to be disruptive, just challenging.
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Re: Dreaming? Peps1 – Member – Providing Link to Shit Disturbing Post by Old Timer
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Maybe it’s the old saw: I don’t ever get the respect I feel I deserve so I won’t give anyone the respect they deserve. Or maybe it’s more of a desire to be a person who lives to stir the pot..unless there’s a stink in the air they ain’t happy….wonder which one…hmmmmmm
*cough cough* [Smiley2]link.
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Re: Dreaming? Tiltjlp – Member
An old saying I remember from when I was a boy seems to apply here. “I might not always be right, but I’m never wrong.” Say whatever you want about me, just fix me a stack of sandwiches first.
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Re: Dreaming? ABSSiegal – Member – Another “Me Too” Fan
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Face to face encounters temper the coward and challange the brave. there are no consaquences for being a fool on the internet no one can reach out and punch your lights out. Although that tact never changed a persons opinion, it certainly did shut them up. [006]
Well said Buggs!!! [Smiley20]
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Re: Dreaming? Peps1 – Member – Voice of Reason
It’s a sad day when so many well respected members in my eyes feel the need to advocate violence [Smiley19]
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Re: Dreaming? ruraldean – Member
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Well said Buggs,
the internet is full of would be Hero’s. [006]
How nice to see one of the mods supporting the notion that physical violence is a problem solver.
FWIW I’m not hiding behind the protection of great distance. Were I there in person then we’d be having the same discussion, although I’d be keeping an eye open for a quick left hand from your friend Buggs, or a subtle whack from Old Timer.
But enough of your schoolboy fighting talk. I was brought up in a place that makes Basra look like Disneyland so I’ve heard it all before. I’d rather discuss things than put anyone’s lights out.
You should be ashamed.
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This poor thread has been completely hijacked and is serving no one any good so it is now closed.
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I’m not continuing on open forum, for the sake of the forums and frankly I don’t have the time. To clarify, my first post was not a direct attack on you, did it go to far, maybe, did I read to much into your post, maybe but after PMs I received from some members it is little wonder.
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those who DO stand up and be counted often find themselves cast into the outer darkness without explanation, so it’s not surprising that people are cautious about their feelings.
What do members feel they have to stand up for? If they do not like the way the forum is run, why do they stay [000] There is another forum out there to fulfill their needs. I would not stay somewhere I didn’t like. I am happy for anyone to be a member provided they stick to the SF accepted norm.
If you look around the forums the majority of members are happy with how things are, we aren’t going to change a formula that works just to please the minority. I can’t understand why members who break rules feel they have to kick back against the team or cause problems for the team. Why can’t they just accept it and get on with it or move on.
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I’m not continuing on open forum, for the sake of the forums and frankly I don’t have the time. To clarify, my first post was not a direct attack on you, did it go to far, maybe, did I read to much into your post, maybe but after PMs I received from some members it is little wonder.
Firstly Nigel, there you go with the insinuations again. What PMs have you had that led you to read too much into my post I wonder? Perhaps you’d be man enough to be upfront about it? A number of people feel they may be being watched on other forums. Sounds like it might be true.
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I can’t understand why members who break rules feel they have to kick back against the team or cause problems for the team. Why can’t they just accept it and get on with it or move on.
Again, who are you referring to? Anyone who breaks the rules has probably been banned already, so won’t be around to kick back or cause problems for the team. If it’s a reference to me then tell me what rule I’ve broken, or how I’m “kicking back”. Is that how the mods view any difference of opinion? Will I end up being “silenced” for disagreeing with you?
My post came about because I needed to counter the first poster’s view that SF posters are intellectually superior to others. Rather than jumping on me, a moderator perhaps should have pointed out to him that this sort of elitist talk won’t endear him to anyone with friends elsewhere.
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